Windows 10 Tablet Mode

[Grumman]

I have a Sony VAIO Ultrabook Duo (SVD1321M2EB) running Windows 10.

When I fold the keyboard, windows automatically changes to tablet mode.

When BYE is running in normal desktop mode and Windows changes to tablet layout, the application is nowhere to be found... It seems like it is not running.

It would be nice to have BYE running even in tablet mode as when on the field, I use the Ultrabook more like a tablet than a laptop as it is more convenient and smaller in size.

Regards,

Thanasis

[s3igell]

When you say "BYE is nowhere to be found", what methods are you using in order to search for the running program??

Does this include starting Task Manager and reviewing the Application List via the Processes Tab??

[Grumman]

47 minutes ago, s3igell said:

When you say "BYE is nowhere to be found", what methods are you using in order to search for the running program??

Does this include starting Task Manager and reviewing the Application List via the Processes Tab??

Sorry, that was a bad way of putting it...

What I meant by that is that the app it still running and active but when windows 10 switch to tablet mode, the app is thrown in the background by Windows 10 tablet interface and you can't bring it forward...

[s3igell]

While I have numerous Win 10 PCs, I don't have a device that I run BYE in Tablet Mode - so no direct experience.

However, one of the more frustrating issues I have with Windows 10:  The number of Apps and Dialog Windows and Warnings and other Pop-ups which "Pop-Under" when they should Pop-up as Top-Most in Z-Order.  This has led to far too many App Terminations and even Reboots for lack of finding the necessary Dialog or being simply unable to access it behind a Modal Dialog.

Perhaps there is something in the .NET Environment that Guylain can utilize to address the Issue you experienced in Tablet-mode.  But it's as likely that this is another Windows Issue.

[astroman133]

If you want to try to solve it with the current release, then you should create a post in the BYE Forum, rather than assume that changes must be made to BYE to accommodate your tablet.

[s3igell]

1 hour ago, astroman133 said:

If you want to try to solve it with the current release, then you should create a post in the BYE Forum, rather than assume that changes must be made to BYE to accommodate your tablet.

I see that Grumman did post a Feature Request into the proper Feature Request forum, but perhaps this phrasing will help:

Feature Request:  Please make BYE/BYN as Tablet-mode Friendly as possible - specifically such that BYE/BYN retains its display window when the PC transitions between PC and Tablet Modes of Windows 10.

[astroman133]

Yes, he did create this post requesting that BYE be made as Tablet-friendly as possible. However, his request was based solely on BYE being "no where to be found". This could be an issue with Windows. Once this is sorted out, he may find that BYE works just fine on his tablet.

When or even if Guylain and Chris add user suggestions from the forum into the products could be many months down the road. So if Grumman does nothing he may go for all that time thinking that BYE does not work on a Windows tablet, when that may not be the case. I was just suggesting that he create a BYE support request rather than a feature request that may already be (mostly) in place.

 

[Grumman]

@astroman133 @s3igell

Thank you very much for your help and support on this matter.

I have managed to resolve this!

On a Windows tablet, you can swipe from left to right and it will show you all the current open windows.

Backyard EOS was there so when clicked on it, it open just fine and I was able to work with it as normal.

 

I guess it will make more sense for me to re-word this suggestion and say:

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It would be nice to have a full screen option in BYE along with the maximize button so no matter what happens with Windows OS,

BYE will always be on top as well as windows popups, notification, start menu in tablet mode, taskbar, etc. will not be visible as they will be in the background.

 

 

[astroman133]

I have not worked with any Windows-based touch screen devices, but on my Windows systems the title bar for BYE has a Maximize button near the upper right corner.

What happens if you maximize BYE and then switch to tablet mode? If the window still disappears then it may be that Windows is doing something that applications cannot change.

 

[Grumman]

Just now, astroman133 said:

I have not worked with any Windows-based touch screen devices, but on my Windows systems the title bar for BYE has a Maximize button near the upper right corner.

What happens if you maximize BYE and then switch to tablet mode? If the window still disappears then it may be that Windows is doing something that applications cannot change.

 

If I maximize it in normal mode and switch into tablet mode, the Windows Tablet start screen appears (attached photo) which puts BYE completely in the background.

[admin]

I believe tablet mode runs Windows Universal app only (and the old W8 perhaps)... which BYE is not.  If this is the case (I would need to check) then this is not possible unless I do a complete rewrite... and when this occurs it would work on W10 as Universal apps do not work on W8, W7.

[admin]

Okay, I just did a test with BackyardEOS and 2 other applications.

They all behave the same.  They show up in Windows tablet mode on my Dell XPS.

The only difference I have found is that BYE won't go full screen automatically as with the other apps but if BYE is full screen before going into tablet mode the behavior of BYE and the 2 other apps I have testes are identical.

Hope this helps.

[astroman133]

The linked article describes, in part, how to make an application better aware of the mode of the device.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/continuum

It may help Guylain to design BYE/BYN to operate better on a device that is capable of Tablet mode.