Saving ONLY to camera doesn't work

[jzafrasa]

I am using BYEOS 3.1.8 Premium, with Canon 60D and Windows 10

 

When I set images to save only in camera, I still get them downloaded to my PC only.

For the images to stay in the camera card, I have to set "save to PC & camera", and it works as it should (one copy in the PC and another in the camera)

 

But I cannot set it so that images are saved ONLY in the camera card (that is to say -no downloading to PC-)

 

Has anyone noticed this?

 

[astroman133]

Nope. I am using BYE 3.1.8 Premium with a Canon T5i and Windows 7 x64. I also used the Canon215 SDK.

 

BYE behaves as expected with each of the 3 Save To options. I also tested with RAW, JPG and RAW+JPG and all the Save To options. Every image was saved where it was supposed to be saved.

 

Perhaps there is something unique about the 60D or did you use a different version (Canon, rather than Canon215) of the SDK?

[admin]

Ummm, try with EOS utility and see if it can save to card only.  I know for some models save to card does not work when tethered to PC.

 

If EOS Utility can save to card only then this is a bug in BYE.  If not then it would seem to be a limitation of the 60D.

 

Keep us posted.

[Ron Hillstromb]

Hello Guylain, et al

 

  You might as well go down to the corner store and get a six-pack of midnight oil.

 

  I hooked up my EOA 60Da and change to in-camera save.  I took a couple of images.  They saved to the computer fine.  They did not show up on the card inside the camera.  I checked the card in the camera trying to replay the image and on a computer with a SD slot. 

 

  I disconnected and shut down BYE and started EOS Utility.  EOS Utility 2 started since I was using a cable.  I went to Remote Shooting.  Set it up to save to the computer and camera and took a few of shots.  I shut down EOS Utility but had to unplug the USB cable to get control of the camera.  I tried a replay with the card in the camera and the images were there.  I then checked the folder where I told it the store on the computer and the images were there too.

 

  I have the logs from BYE and they are available.

 

  Might you know where the logs generated by EOS Utility reside, if they are generated?  If it is simple and easy to retrieve I will try to get them if you need them.  If you need a beta tester for the next week I will help with this problem.  I have commitments after next Tuesday, 13 September.  When those commitments are completed I will get back to you and continue to beta test if needed.

 

  Equipment used tonight:

 

  EOS 60Da on internal battery

  32 GB SD card

  Surface Pro 3 with Core I7 Processor and Internal micro SD card 128 GB

  BYE 3.18

  EOS Utility 2 - Build ???? not checked.  (I think it was on the disk that came with a 7D Mk II.)

 

  Logs of the BYE session available.

 

Ron

[Ron Hillstromb]

Oops  Hello Again

 

  I can check several releases back to see if it has been there a while or what release it was introduced in.

 

Ron

[admin]

Okay, went to the corner store and got the 6 pack.  Drinking the 6th beer now, lol

 

Weird for sure.  I do not think that EOS Utility produces log files.

[admin]

I have a 60D, I'll try that.

[Ron Hillstromb]

I looked in the folders where EOS Utility is located and all through my Canon folders for Utility logs and didn't find anything.

 

  I'm available for testing if you need any.

 

  I have not used in camera storage since I started using any of my EOS cameras for tethered Astro Photography.  I started using EOS Utility for tethered imaging then after seeing the reviews in Sky and Telescope and Sky at Night  for BYE.  Got the website from your ad in Sky and Telescope, requested a trial copy and the rest is history, as they say.  Very satisfied with the product from 2.6 (I think.) to the present.

 

 

 

Ron

[astroman133]

Just to clarify. EOS Utility is a Canon tool that provides tethered control of Canon EOS DSLR cameras. It is provided on the CD that accompanies each camera. 

 

Backyard EOS is a different application for tethered control of Canon EOS DSLR cameras with features specific to astrophotography.

 

Guylain sometimes asks users with an issue when using BYE to try to duplicate that issue when using the EOS Utility in order to determine if the issue may be due to BYE or some other cause such as the Canon SDK or the camera itself.

[jzafrasa]

Ummm, try with EOS utility and see if it can save to card only.  I know for some models save to card does not work when tethered to PC.

 

If EOS Utility can save to card only then this is a bug in BYE.  If not then it would seem to be a limitation of the 60D.

 

Keep us posted.

 

With Eos Utility and my Canon EOS 60D I can save to PC only, or to PC+camera

I cannot set "save to card only"

Looks like then it is a limitation of the 60D....

[admin]

With Eos Utility and my Canon EOS 60D I can save to PC only, or to PC+camera

I cannot set "save to card only"

Looks like then it is a limitation of the 60D....

 

I get the same here with my 60D, so looks like this now confirmed.  The 60D, and most likely the 60Da as well, are not capable of saving to SD card only when tethered to a computer

 

Regards,

[astroman133]

That seems more like a bug (in the SDK, not BYE) than a feature!

[s3igell]

Its been a long-term Issue, as I reported this Failure for my 60D to save to Camera-Only back under version 2.

So, I'd suspect that we need to treat this as a Feature rather than a simple Bug.

[admin]

Its been a long-term Issue, as I reported this Failure for my 60D to save to Camera-Only back under version 2.

So, I'd suspect that we need to treat this as a Feature rather than a simple Bug.

 

It can't be a feature if the Camera does not allow for it.  This is a bug in either the SDK for the 60D or a limitation of the camera body itself.  Either way this is a Canon issue that I do not have any control of sadly.  If EOS Utility can't do it with the 60D neither can BYE

 

Regards,

[jzafrasa]

I get the same here with my 60D, so looks like this now confirmed.  The 60D, and most likely the 60Da as well, are not capable of saving to SD card only when tethered to a computer

 

Regards,

 

 

Well, I am not so sure it is only a Canon SDK issue. Because I have tried my EOS 60D with APT (Astro Photography Tool), which is similar to BYE, and "save to camera only" works perfectly in that program....

"Save to camera only" also works perfectly in Eclipse Orchestrator as another example. But in this case, that option (save-to-card) is the default and only option of the program (no way to set it to "download to PC")

In both tests, the camera is attached to the PC with only the USB cable.

 

Any further thoughts?

[admin]

Eclipse Orchestrator does not connect to the camera, it simply triggers the shutter using a serial cable... and this is why you can only save to camera.

 

However, APT uses the same Canon SDK as BYE and EOS Utility.  I'll take a second look.

 

EDIT:  Unless APT made changes in recent years and now use PTP protocol instead of the Canon SDK.  That I can not be sure of

[stargazer1sd]

I got the same thing this morning while testing my exposure set for the eclipse. I want it to save to the card, but it saves to the PC. Any chance of fixing this? I'll beta test.

[astroman133]

You replied to an old post. Please be sure that you are using the new version of BYE (3.1.12) and if you still have the same issue with saving to the card, please create a new thread for your issue. Version 3.1.12 fixed an issue that for some cameras was preventing the saving of images only to the camera. Another important point is to verify that you can save images to the card when the camera is not tethered. I ran into this issue when I accidentally slid the switch that write protected my memory card when inserting it into the camera. BYE reported a "general camera error".

In the new thread please tell the community which version of BYE you are using, what camera model, how the camera is cabled, and the steps to re-create your issue.

Even though this thread is almost a year old, I need to correct the comment that Guylain made at that time. Eclipse Orchestrator uses the Canon SDK, just like BYE does. As such it works perfectly fine without a serial cable. This is how I am using it. In fact, the free version of EO doesn't even support the serial cable. EO must have some control over the camera in order to be able to change other capture parameters like ISO, f-stop, image type, etc even if a serial cable is used to control the shutter.

The author of EO claims that a serial cable should be used to get the greatest performance. I find that I am able to take images which are saved only to the memory card with only a 1.4 second delay with EO. This will allow me to capture 106 images from pre-first contact to post-fourth contact. Given this performance I did not see that it was necessary to purchase a serial cable. I am also skeptical that an exposure would be triggered more quickly via a serial cable than a timed value exposure that is triggered via the SDK.

[robinstuart@earthlink.net]

I have encountered this issue:

BackyardEOS 3.1.16 - Premium Edition

Canon 60Da tethered to Windows 10 PC by USB cable

Save To

PC  -> saves to PC only

Camera -> saves to PC only

PC+Camera -> saves to PC and camera

I have tested my setup with ImagesPlus Camera Control 6.0 and it behaves as expected.

 

[s3igell]

The Canon 60D is one of the Models which didn't fully support the Commands from the Canon SDK related to Image Saving Location.

I own a 60D, and use BYE with that DSLR.  But I cannot get it to save to the PC via either Save-To: Camera or PC+Camera.  This has been discussed and confirmed in older Forum Threads (some real old...)

 

Separately, you should consider upgrading to the newest version of BYE - 3.1.18

There were no changes specific to the 60D, but the changes to the Capture Plan are worthwhile as are the Speed-Ups to the Start-Up routine.  There was also a significant change made to the Installer to avoid some growing Microsoft Security issues.

[robinstuart@earthlink.net]

Thank you for the advice. I will upgrade to the newer version.

You wrote "I own a 60D, and use BYE with that DSLR. I cannot get it to save to the PC via either Save-To: Camera or PC+Camera." This is sort of opposite to what I experience. In my case it always writes to the PC and only saves a copy in the camera with PC+Camera selected.

You also wrote "The Canon 60D is one of the Models which didn't fully support the Commands from the Canon SDK related to Image Saving Location." But I guess this begs the question as to how ImagesPlus Camera Control manages to save files in the correct locations.

[admin]

The fundamental issue is that BYE forces the Single Mode shooting mode., this was a design decision in the early days. I'm now tied to this approach and it would destabilize the internal BYE workflow if I were to change this.

In Single Shooting mode, the camera is busy while the current image is being saved to the card and will not accept anymore take picture command until the previous image is save.

Can you confirm the following...

1) Save to card only is NOT working at all

2) Save to card only works on the first image in a session plan but the the second.

 

Thank you

 

[astroman133]

So, if save to card works for the first image, but not the second, can the problem be worked around by adding a delay between images?

[admin]

29 minutes ago, astroman133 said:

So, if save to card works for the first image, but not the second, can the problem be worked around by adding a delay between images?

Yes. In this case the issue is that the camera is busy writing the image to card and will not accept any commands until the write is complete. 

The pause duration between images will differ slightly depending on the card write speed but a few seconds at most should work.

[robinstuart@earthlink.net]

Whatever the cause of the problem was it seems to have been resolved in BYE 3.1.18. Thanks.

Though probably no longer relevant but in answer to the question asked earlier - the only time the image was being saved to the card was when "PC+Camera" was selected. In all cases "PC", "Camera" and "PC+Camera" the image was being downloaded to the PC.

[astroman133]

Just to be clear...You are saying that when you choose Save To Camera, the image is downloaded to the PC??? With which version(s) of BYE? If so, this is a bug; and it is one that I am not able to duplicate. 

When I choose save to the Camera with BYE 3.1.18 and my T5i, the image is not downloaded to my PC. The images are not displayed by BYE and no images exist in the Download folder.

[robinstuart@earthlink.net]

That is correct. Selecting "Save To Camera" under BYE 3.1.16 resulted in the image being downloaded to the PC and nothing saved on the card.

Things now work fine under 3.1.18 using a Canon 60Da and Windows 10 PC.