Support for CANON EOS RP

[Wernra]

Hello Support team,

I use a Laptop MSI  with an Intel I7-4810MQ with Win 8.1 Pro 64 bit and Backyardeos version 3.1.18 - RC5.

EOS-Utility ist deinstalled and the PC ist rebooted

When I try to contact the Camera connected by USB-cable i get the following reactions:

With DIGIC2  The Camera is not recognised. ( that is Understandable)

 With DIGIC 3,4,5,6,7,8 Your Program can contact the Camera

     '01:23:59  DEVICEINFO DESCRIPTION IS Canon EOS RP
     01:23:59  DEVICEINFO NUMBER IS 2971957768.
     01:23:59  YOUR *REAL* MODEL NUMBER IS 2147484723(80000433)
     01:23:59  YOUR camera is not currently supported by the Canon SDK available at the time of this software release.'

but it does not receive Camera informations (at least there are no informations displayed in the Info center).

How can I help you to bring up support for this Camera?

The last logfile ist attached.

Many thanks in advance,

Werner Rahn (Germany)

logfile-[20190924-01h23m45s379]-[8068]-2019-09-24.txt

[admin]

Hi Werner,

Perfect, this is what I needed to make it work. 

01:23:59  YOUR *REAL* MODEL NUMBER IS 2147484723(80000433)

Since I got the EOS-R working in RC5 it should be relatively easy to have the EOS-RP work.

I will try to add EOS-RP support in RC6 and I will try to release later this week.

Regards

 

[astroman133]

Werner,

This "support group" is made up of the principal author of BYE and members of the BYE community who volunteer their assistance.

You may want to read this post which is pinned near the top of the BYE forum:

You may notice that your camera is not yet listed. Not all Canon cameras are or can be. Only those cameras that are supported by the Canon SDK can be supported by BYE. If your camera is supported by the most recent North American version of the Canon SDK then the numbers that you provided will help the authors to add the camera to the support list. Typically, Guylain will provide you with a version of BYE to test with your camera. Once you have said that the camera works with BYE it will be incorporated in a public pre-release version for others to test.

Thanks!

[admin]

I just uploaded 3.1.18-RC6 with my first attempt at supporting the EOS-RP. 

Please try RC6 and report your findings.

Thank you

[admin]

Here is the RC download link.

 

[admin]

Any news on this?  Anyone with a Canon EOS RP that can try the latest pre-release and confirm (or not) that it is working?

Thank you

[jchaffeejr]

Yes i have an EOR-RP and it connects using the pre release RC7.

Thank you Very much!!!

[admin]

4 minutes ago, jchaffeejr said:

Yes i have an EOR-RP and it connects using the pre release RC7.

Thank you Very much!!!

Yeah, another one done

Thank you.

[Wernra]

Hello Guylain

sorry for answering so late, but now I found the time to test Version 3.1.18. This version made a lot of steps further.

My Canon was equipped with a zoom lens 24-105 mm an a fixed lens with 300 mm an no Camera contacts.

The Canon RP connects to my PC. BYE shows the correct data in the 'Camera Information Center (EOS-RP)'. When I change the Camera from P to M, to B the Data are correct. Also the Opening of the lens 4 to 8. If I use a Lens without contacts to the camera, the opening is not shown in the Infocenter, that's OK.

When I choose 'Frame and Focus' in BYE the PC shows in BYE the Camera-signal/Picture and calculates a FWHM. (I tested indoors, so I had no star)

When I chose Imaging, I can set up a Program of Pictures, but when I start Imaging the Protocol says:

Imaging session Started
Imaging Session cancelled.

Make shure the Camera is set to Manual, turn Dial to 'M'

I do so, but when I restart the Imaging session the pictures are taken in 1/125 sec, even when I say Bulb with 30 seconds of time. The 1/125 is taken from the Camera in M-Mode. The ISO-Sensitivity is correctly changed apropriate to the Data in the Imaging-Session..

To give you a maximum of Info, I 'zipped' all my logfiles.

 

 

 

 

logfiles-2019-10-nn.rar

[admin]

Does the EOS-RP has a separate dial mode "B" for bulb? 

The EOS-R did not (it uses M for bulb).  If it does have a B Dial mode then I need to registered it as such.  Please confirm and I'll make the changes and upload a new RC for you to test.

Regards,

[Wernra]

10 hours ago, admin said:

Yes it has a B-modus, please see attached Photo.
Regards, Werner

 

Does the EOS-RP has a separate dial mode "B" for bulb? 

The EOS-R did not (it uses M for bulb).  If it does have a B Dial mode then I need to registered it as such.  Please confirm and I'll make the changes and upload a new RC for you to test.

Regards,

 

[Kencha]

Good morning, everyone on the development team.
BackyardEOS V. 3.1.18 EOS RP bulb shooting was successful with RC7. Thank you.
However, even if you set the CMOS temperature template, it will not be recorded in the recorded file name. CMOS temperature is necessary for dark photography.
Is this the specification of EOS RP? *

Kencha

[astroman133]

In order for the temperature to be added to the file name, a temperature value must be put into an image's EXIF data by the camera. You must also give BYE permission to read the EXIF data to pull out the sensor temperature.

You give BYE permission to read the EXIF data by unchecking "Skip READ Exif data" on the Advanced Settings screen. Then BYE should read the value of the "CameraTemperature" parameter from the EXIF data and display it in the Camera Information Center portion of the main BYE window as well as substibute it into the image's file name in place of the <temperature> placeholder.

If this is not working with the RP then perhaps Canon changed the name of the parameter. You should be able to take an image that is downloaded to your PC and view the EXIF data. If you are unsure how to do this you should read the applicable section of the User Manual.

[Kencha]

ご回答ありがとうございます、astroman133。

確認しました。私はそのように走っていました。EOS RPの前にカメラに温度が表示されたため、EOS RPのパラメーターが変更された可能性があります。

EXIF TXTが添付されています。
ありがとうございました。

けんちゃ

Edited October 20, 2019 by Kencha
I couldn't attach a file.

[admin]

4 hours ago, Kencha said:

Good morning, everyone on the development team.
BackyardEOS V. 3.1.18 EOS RP bulb shooting was successful with RC7. Thank you.
However, even if you set the CMOS temperature template, it will not be recorded in the recorded file name. CMOS temperature is necessary for dark photography.
Is this the specification of EOS RP? *

Kencha

Nothing changed between RC7 and RC8 for the EOS-RP.  

I will register the "B" dial in BYE and that should do it for bulb images.  I'll try to upload a new version later today in the pre-release section.

Regards,

[admin]

I just finished uploaded RC9 in the download pre-release section with BULB dial mode properly registered for the EOS-RP.

https://www.otelescope.com/files/category/24-pre-releases/

Please try it and report your findings here.

Thank you.

[Kencha]

11時間前、管理者は言いました：

EOS-RPに適切に登録されたBULBダイヤルモードを使用して、ダウンロードプレリリースセクションでRC9のアップロードを完了しました。

https://www.otelescope.com/files/category/24-pre-releases/

試してみて、ここで結果を報告してください。

ありがとうございました。

管理者様
RC9で試写してみました。温度の記録は出来ません
でした。温度の記録が出来るカメラのEXIF.txtと出来ないEOS RPのEXIF.txtでは完全なexifタグリストのFileTypeに違いがありました。
EOS 760D-T6sとEOS RPのEXIF.txtを添付します。

よろしくお願いします。有り難うございました。

Kencha

EOS RP.zip EOS 760D-T6s.zip

[astroman133]

Well, it appears that the EOS RP does not record the camera temperature in the EXIF data. This is very unfortunate and would seem to make this model of camera unsuitable for astrophotography.

[admin]

It's the same for the EOS-R unfortunately.

[Kencha]

1 hour ago, admin said:

残念ながらEOS-Rでも同じです。

Oh! Is EOS R also?  That's really unfortunate. Is it the specification of the EOS R series? There are rumors about EOS RA right now.

Thank you very much.

[admin]

I heard about the EOS RA rumors too.

I'm not sure about the specification, there is nothing about a temperature sensor... but there is no generic documentation on temperature sensor for other models as well.

The EOS-R and RP creates CR3 image format instead of CR2.  I'm not sure of this is a file specification.  I guess we will know when a user of a full DSLR  with CR3 image file reports if there is a temperature reading in the exif data or not.

Another cause could be (and I'm just guessing here) that exiftool is not fully able to read the exifmeta data and is missing some headers.

Regards,

 

[astroman133]

Upon reflection, I may have been a bit harsh in suggesting that the RP may unsuitable for astrophotography. 

The main use of a temperature measurement of the internal camera temperature is to support removal of noise with temperature-matched dark frames. However the newer cameras do additional processing in the camera, even for RAW frames, they can eliminate much of the thermal noise. So, perhaps Canon is saying that with the DIGIC 8 processor that dark frames are no longer necessary.

So if you already have a DIGIC 8 camera it may be worth investigating whether calibration with dark frames actually provides any benefit.

[s3igell]

1 hour ago, astroman133 said:

...the newer cameras do additional processing in the camera, even for RAW frames, they can eliminate much of the thermal noise. So, perhaps Canon is saying that with the DIGIC 8 processor that dark frames are no longer necessary.

In most cases of DSLR Sensors, it is the BIAS which has been suppressed to the point of insignificance.

Dark Current and Hot/Stuck Pixels have also been reduced (and some cases also Mapped-Out).  It would be nice to not need Darks, but most In-Camera Processing Tricks other than LENR have run at odds with AP Imaging (eg: Sony's "Star Eater" issues).  This is especially true as much of the "Signal" that we look to capture from Low-Intensity areas such as Nebulae are essentially indistinguishable from low-intensity Dark Current "Noise".

But, with each New DSLR Sensor or Digic Processor, it is good to learn what improvements they have made.  eg: Canon 6D made strides in Noise Suppression, and then the 7DmkII took additional strides (one of the reasons I shoot with a 7DmkII).

[Kencha]

On 2019/10/22 at 午前12時32分, admin said:

EOS RAの噂についても聞いた。

仕様についてはわかりませんが、温度センサーについては何もありません...しかし、他のモデルの温度センサーに関する一般的なドキュメントもありません。

EOS-RおよびRPは、CR2の代わりにCR3イメージ形式を作成します。これがファイル仕様かどうかはわかりません。CR3画像ファイルを備えたフルDSLRのユーザーが、exifデータに温度の読み取り値があるかどうかを報告するとき、私たちは知っていると思います。

別の原因として、exiftoolがexifmetaデータを完全に読み取ることができず、一部のヘッダーが欠落していることが考えられます（ここで推測しています）。

よろしく、

 

Manager
Thank you for your help.
I heard from a friend that there is Camera Temperature in the Exif data of EOS RP.
Looking at ExifTool Version Number: 11.71, there was certainly a Camera Temperature: 25 C.
I expected the RC10, but nothing changed.
Please continue to improve.
Kencha

exif.zip

[admin]

42 minutes ago, Kencha said:

Manager
Thank you for your help.
I heard from a friend that there is Camera Temperature in the Exif data of EOS RP.
Looking at ExifTool Version Number: 11.71, there was certainly a Camera Temperature: 25 C.
I expected the RC10, but nothing changed.
Please continue to improve.
Kencha

exif.zip 6.6 kB · 0 downloads

 

I just uploaded RC11 which contains exiftool 11.73.  

Hopefuly this will work... provided there is a temperature value in the exif data for the RP  as per your friend.

Regards,

 

[Kencha]

1 hour ago, admin said:

 

exiftool 11.73を含むRC11をアップロードしました。  

これがうまくいくことを願っています... RPのexifデータに友人ごとの温度値がある場合。

よろしく、

 

Administrator
Solved by RC11.
Thank you very much everyone.
Kencha

[admin]

36 minutes ago, Kencha said:

Administrator
Solved by RC11.
Thank you very much everyone.
Kencha

A+

[Wernra]

3 hours ago, admin said:

A+

Hello Guylain,

congratulations! RC11 does all I expect.

Thanks a lot.

Werner

I still have a small hint, the "c" in the temperature-field of the camera data should be a "C" for centigrade.

[admin]

6 hours ago, Wernra said:

I still have a small hint, the "c" in the temperature-field of the camera data should be a "C" for centigrade.

In the file name or the exif data?

[Wernra]

3 minutes ago, admin said:

In the file name or the exif data?

Hello Guylain,

it is in the display of the Monitor in the Camera Information Center.

If you want to be very precise and if there si enough space in the Display you can ad a "°" so it would be for example "32°C".
Up to now i never used the chip-temperature.

Werner Rahn