In Camera 5x

[PsylumWayne]

In most of the planetary photography with DLSRs articles I've read, it is recommended to use the "crop sensor" in movie mode. BYE makes no mention of this. Is the in camera 5x zoom the same thing? Do they do the same thing?

[admin]

It's the same thing, 5x is a crop sensor

[astroman133]

However, BYE's Planetary mode does not use the camera's movie mode. It captures individual LiveView frames and assembles them into a video file.

[PsylumWayne]

Thanks guys. The software looks very promising. I plan on buying it if the trial goes well. My only complaint is that the trial version requires an internet connection. There's no internet in the field. So I'm pretty much stuck testing it in my living room. My house is surrounded by trees.

[admin]

1 hour ago, PsylumWayne said:

Thanks guys. The software looks very promising. I plan on buying it if the trial goes well. My only complaint is that the trial version requires an internet connection. There's no internet in the field. So I'm pretty much stuck testing it in my living room. My house is surrounded by trees.

 

We can thank all those that kept changing their computer date to access the trial indefinitely for this 

 

[s3igell]

If you happen to have a T2i or 50D, you'll want to consider using the Camera's "Native Crop Movie Mode".

This feature, only available on these two Models, is worth the hassle of "Going Manual" instead of letting BYE Planetary Mode to it all for you.  Native Crop Movie Mode on my T2i will get me 30-32fps of true 1:1 Pixel Ratio Video.  I don't have a 50D, but it was slightly more powerful so maybe 35fps.  Of course, you need to deal with Canon producing MOV instead of the more common AVI format.

[PsylumWayne]

22 minutes ago, s3igell said:

If you happen to have a T2i or 50D, you'll want to consider using the Camera's "Native Crop Movie Mode".

This feature, only available on these two Models, is worth the hassle of "Going Manual" instead of letting BYE Planetary Mode to it all for you.  Native Crop Movie Mode on my T2i will get me 30-32fps of true 1:1 Pixel Ratio Video.  I don't have a 50D, but it was slightly more powerful so maybe 35fps.  Of course, you need to deal with Canon producing MOV instead of the more common AVI format.

Indeed. I have a T2i. 

 

Can you give a little more detail?

[astroman133]

3 hours ago, PsylumWayne said:

Thanks guys. The software looks very promising. I plan on buying it if the trial goes well. My only complaint is that the trial version requires an internet connection. There's no internet in the field. So I'm pretty much stuck testing it in my living room. My house is surrounded by trees.

The good news is that you can prove most of the features with the Trial license. This is what the Trial is for, after all.

Your LiveView video doesn't need to be of a planet in order to prove that the functionality works. Neither do your images need to be of deep sky objects to prove that BYE can execute an imaging plan according to your defined settings. I would also say that you don't have to travel to a remote dark sky site to test Frame & Focus features. A light polluted yard or apartment balcony can be used.

If you want to do shoot the night sky with the Trial license, you can shoot from your yard. Just start BYE in the house to let it validate the Trial license via your home network then take it outside to your gear.

My point is not to let the network requirement of the Trial license keep you from proving the software to your satisfaction before deciding to purchase a permanent license.

[PsylumWayne]

I can't. My house is surrounded by trees. I could start it here and then go to the field. That's not a bad idea. 

You're saying that the internet connection is only required when the app starts?

[s3igell]

37 minutes ago, PsylumWayne said:

Indeed. I have a T2i. 

Can you give a little more detail? "60

My T2i is in Storage in PHX and I'm in the Humidity (and Flooded Dark Sites) of Central Florida.  But you need to go into the Camera Menu - Movies - Image Size and select "Crop 640x480" and in Movies - Frame Rate select 60 (fps).

Then, when at the Scope you can use BYE Frame and Focus to get your Planet or Moon properly In-Focus and Centered.  Then Disconnect from BYE so that you can control the Camera directly.  And set the Mode to Movie and use the Record Button.

You'll also need to use Playback on the T2i LCD to see how well you did...  (There are certain Values to BYE after all...)

[PsylumWayne]

10 minutes ago, s3igell said:

My T2i is in Storage in PHX and I'm in the Humidity (and Flooded Dark Sites) of Central Florida.  But you need to go into the Camera Menu - Movies - Image Size and select "Crop 640x480" and in Movies - Frame Rate select 60 (fps).

Then, when at the Scope you can use BYE Frame and Focus to get your Planet or Moon properly In-Focus and Centered.  Then Disconnect from BYE so that you can control the Camera directly.  And set the Mode to Movie and use the Record Button.

You'll also need to use Playback on the T2i LCD to see how well you did...  (There are certain Values to BYE after all...)

So I wonder then... How are those results different from using the 5x zoom in BYE? 

[PsylumWayne]

And further... If BYE simply records the live video then why not put it in movie mode, turn the crop on, and then let BYE do it's thing?

[s3igell]

2 hours ago, PsylumWayne said:

So I wonder then... How are those results different from using the 5x zoom in BYE? 

 

2 hours ago, PsylumWayne said:

And further... If BYE simply records the live video then why not put it in movie mode, turn the crop on, and then let BYE do it's thing?

The Crop Movie Mode is performed In-Camera with full support of the DigicIV Controller Hardware, is truly 1:1 Pixel Ratio, and can sometimes generate up to 60fps.  It is stored directly on the Camera's SD Card, and you can only "watch while filming" via the LCD Screen.

The BYE 5X-Crop Mode is actually done by BYE Capturing the Individual Frames of the LiveView image stream being passed from the Camera across the USB2 to the Program, is "essentially" 1:1 Pixel Ratio per Canon's internal implementation of 5X-Zoom LiveView, and usually results in 5-15fps.  It is stored directly on the PC and can be monitored during Capture on the Laptop Screen.

Each of these has a set of Benefits and Drawbacks...

[s3igell]

3 hours ago, PsylumWayne said:

I can't. My house is surrounded by trees. I could start it here and then go to the field. That's not a bad idea. 

You're saying that the internet connection is only required when the app starts?

BYE Trial Mode does ONLY require Internet Connectivity during Startup (the program, while running Un-Registered Trial mode, must check with O'Telescope's Server to verify the current Time/Date to ensure user is within their 30-day Trial Period).  Once that Check is completed, BYE no longer requires Internet Access until the Program is Terminated.  (This does raise potential problems if the User's Laptop runs out of Battery or encounters some Windows Error or...)

[Ron Hillstromb]

For s3igell, et al

  The 50D doesn't have a movie mode.  It does have a live view and BYE does give it the same Live View for focus and all Planetary recording "just like".

  The 60D has the Movie with internal movie crop sensor function you described.  When temporarily using my 60Da for wildlife photography when the 7D was in the shop I missed getting a close-up movie of a pair of Black Bok jousting during rutting season because I was unfamiliar with the 60Da's movie function.  Arrrrghhh.

Ron

 

[astroman133]

On ‎9‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 1:27 PM, PsylumWayne said:

And further... If BYE simply records the live video then why not put it in movie mode, turn the crop on, and then let BYE do it's thing?

BYE uses the Canon SDK and is bound by limitations. The SDK does not allow control of the camera when in movie mode. Also, for many models, movie mode does not have as high a resolution as LiveView in 5X zoom.

[PsylumWayne]

I'm expecting a T ring tomorrow. I'll try out both modes and see what results I get. I also plan on using eyepiece projection.